These are really nice pants I tried them on when they arrived. they fit beautifully. I love having the cargo pockets for gps etc. I’m not sure why they are nearly double the price of the traverse pants which are almost identical to these except for the color. it’s a little too warm to wear these right now. I’ll wait till our nine months of winter starts to actually wear them snowshoeing, hiking, training the dogs, birding, and camping.